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Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on May 13, 2014, 09:31:26 PM
Hi

I have a uk spec fd3s. It\'s been sat on my drive for quite some time and its come to the point where I either need to repair it or sell it on and buy something else. As with most uk cars which are left outside for long periods its got some rust issues, needs a respray etc. it\'s mechanically sound got 67k on the clock, but the engine was rebuilt by rotechnics when it had 40k on the clock. All told it will probably cost 5-6k to get it fixed up and looking good. For that money or a couple of k more I could get something else, or a newer rx7 import.

Is investing that amount in it worth it. What would it be worth once done.

Opinions ?

Thanks

Paul
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: clive on May 13, 2014, 09:56:35 PM
Hi Paul,

Pictures would help so we could see its condition
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: mpk490p on May 13, 2014, 10:53:33 PM
Hard to say the uk cars are pretty rare, I would love a sunroof in mine!
But I guess it depends how attached you are to the car, most end up getting split as you can get more pennies that way
(Will take the rear washer bottle if you do split it ��)
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on May 14, 2014, 10:46:51 AM
Hi Clive,

Here are some photos. The repairs that would be required are:

1. rear wheel arch needs replacing. I can source the necessary chunk of car for this. The rust in the photos needs fixing. There is a small hole at the rear underneath the passenger side sill which needs fixing.
2. All 4 shock absorbers need replacing. I have second hand ones to put on. (the springs broke on one side, whilst the car was sat on the drive, (I am amazed by this). Hence the car is undrivable and will need to be recovered to where ever its fixed.

3. all the dents, scratches etc. need fixing, which probably means a respray.
4. The carpets inside need lifting to let the air circulate about because it appears damp inside.
5. I have new break pads for it which should go on as well.
6. The wheels are ok but could do with a referb.
7. the drivers seat mounts could do with replacing (rusted but still functional)
8. A couple of break lines need replacing.
9. Changing the fluids would be a good idea also
10. It needs an MOT.

BTW. I got a rough quote from my local bodyshop. If anyone knows anyone who would be interested in repairing it if I decide to go down that route. I would welcome recommendations if possible.

Some images. I can add more if necessary.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0PEpfbPkdDQdU92c011cUtxSVk&usp=sharing


Thanks

Paul
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: clive on May 14, 2014, 12:01:09 PM
I would say the initial estimate was spot on,

Tough decision but if you go ahead at least you know the car already
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on May 14, 2014, 06:21:07 PM
Hi Mate,

Id be interested in repairing this mechanically for MOT purposes and the guy that sprayed my race car would probably be interested in the cosmetic side of thing.

A little about myself....Dairy engineer by trade but for the past 5 years had a part time business mot repairs and servicing. All legit with HMRC.

Owed an RX8, RX7 and just rebuilt my westfield race car with a rx8 lump in it.

Have a look at my build thread.

Labour rate would be £25.00 per hour...cost to get it to wiltshire on a transporter would probably be £120 ish.
 
I would tackle the obvious mechanical jobs in order to make it mechanically safe for the road and then take for mot...all insured legit etc.

This wouldnt arrive at my house and me spend odd hours here an there id crack on and get it done.  Id enjoy it and prob do a repair thread so you could track progress and it would rescue me from repairing awful french junk.

if interested email at b3nut AT btinternet.com

No obligation at all.

Ta Jon
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: samoht on May 17, 2014, 06:56:23 PM
Just to say, my FD was \'damp inside\', water was getting in round the spoiler holes, ended up being a ~£2k job to repair the rust ahead and behind and around both rear wheelarches.  So be aware that rust may be worse than you can see, depending on how closely you have inspected it.
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: nadz on May 17, 2014, 09:55:53 PM
Hi mate if you decide to sell as it is let me know. 07880497019.
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on May 22, 2014, 11:14:29 AM
Hi,

I am going to get it fixed unless its uber expensive. Thanks for the comments & suggestions.

Paul
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on May 22, 2014, 11:51:26 AM
Paul has taken me up on my offer to do the repair work, we\'ve hatched a plan to get into onto the mot repair ramp as cost effective as possible before expensive bodywork commences..that way we have an exit strategy if she looks like shes too far gone to repair fully only minimal outlay which would help any onward sale.

Looking forward to getting stuck in, gotta have an FD in your life!
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on May 31, 2014, 04:45:53 PM
On an mot ramp next week! Shes is moving around on her own power...rear arb thought me hard. But i won with a little help from my mate Butane....Butane Blowtorch!  Hes firery!
Cleaned up all the brake pipes and lashings off lube n copper grease.
Basics done...lets see what mr mot says.
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on May 31, 2014, 06:46:38 PM
not very often have to use the long uns but rear bolts murder tight....car struts all replaced with bilsteins allround.
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2014-05-31154940_zps54254a75.jpg)
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on May 31, 2014, 06:49:32 PM
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Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on June 03, 2014, 06:44:40 PM
Mot\'d today....always going to be a fail but not to bad atall...

got some welding. x2 sills and x2 floor pan.

2 blows on the exhaust so lamda well out so aborted rest of emissions test.

horn mooin noise fail.

1 tyre as craked badly.

parking brake eff. so needs 2 calipers.

tentative drive on way there...3 rev rises on way home and boosting fine.

repair full steam ahead...see wanted section.
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on October 16, 2014, 01:01:33 PM
just a little update. taken a awhile but got 12 months MOT ! had a little help from Hayward Rotary as the turbo packs needed changing and i chickened out!
off to spray shop tomoz.
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2014-07-16092345_zpsc582e7ee.jpg)

(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2014-07-16165155_zps8bc4d133.jpg)
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on October 16, 2014, 01:07:01 PM
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2014-07-16165203_zps9be4d5bc.jpg)

(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2014-07-20114456_zpsbcbd15c9.jpg)

brought this stray home from work bout the same time!(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2014-07-24230510_zps5a99f445.jpg)
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on October 16, 2014, 01:10:13 PM
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2014-08-15121225_zps55465617.jpg)

(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2014-07-20165538_zpsefe70233.jpg)

(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2014-10-12220607_zps0320edd5.jpg)

cars looking better and so is the cat!:Giggle  

Cant wait to see it when it comes out of body shop !
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: Pukka on October 17, 2014, 08:00:05 AM
Nice to see a FD being repaired other than scrapped, keep up the good work!!
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on October 20, 2014, 07:21:50 PM
just delivered to the spray shop 98% of my work done!
Title: To repair or not to repair
Post by: Jot17 on October 21, 2014, 11:59:06 PM
Great work and post.
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on December 15, 2014, 11:09:10 PM
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Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on December 15, 2014, 11:11:16 PM
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/FOT92C1_zps1f495e61.jpg?t=1418684879)

nearly there.
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on December 16, 2014, 12:22:37 PM
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Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on December 16, 2014, 12:24:56 PM
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/FOTA9D5_zpsdc14da75.jpg?t=1418732658)
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on December 16, 2014, 12:26:03 PM
Full respray....off sat to assist build up.

fun and games posting pics...
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on December 16, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
gonna need some new wheels Paul....and ill polish that tail pipe to match the shiny paint!
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on December 16, 2014, 01:14:17 PM
ill polish the tailpipe after a look through the nudy calender on the wall :) ;D :P
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on December 17, 2014, 08:16:02 PM
Looks great.

Looking forward to getting it back. Need to save some pennies to get wheels.

Paul
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on January 17, 2015, 12:37:50 PM
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Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on January 17, 2015, 12:38:25 PM
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Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on January 17, 2015, 12:41:08 PM
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Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on January 17, 2015, 12:45:10 PM
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2015-01-17124225_zpse9405583.jpg)

and squirmy the cat back from the dead like the 7.
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: clive on January 17, 2015, 01:33:14 PM
Wow, holy resurrections Batman,

This is great to see  :)
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: Casey on January 17, 2015, 06:26:10 PM
Fantastic job there Jon, car is looking great, lovely colour too  :)
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on January 20, 2015, 08:33:03 PM
Yes looks fantastic looking forward to picking it up at the weekend.

Paul
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: mpk490p on January 20, 2015, 09:13:18 PM
Wow looks great, always scary with such a big repair but the end result is worth it ;)
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on January 26, 2015, 10:11:35 AM
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2015-01-24132838_zps5a5bf703.jpg)

Paul picked up car yesterday and drove it 125 miles back to Luton!  Chris an I where a little apprehensive to say the least as a big first journey for a car sat for 5 years but she made it home!
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on January 26, 2015, 05:37:33 PM
Yes, the car made it home flawlessly. I'm well pleased. :)

Everything was rock solid, temperatures all good etc, the car pulls really well, handles great, its all good.

I would really like to thank Jon for all his work on my car along with his friend who welded the wing on, haywards for mapping & identifying & fixing the mystery exhaust leak and Chris the perfectionist, who repaired and resprayed the bodywork. I looks like it just came out of the showroom all straight no ripples or anything really impressive work.

I need to take some photo's for the agreed valuation on my insurance. Which I will post. I put £7000 as the agreed valuation any comments as what the value should be as its a UK Fd ?
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on January 26, 2015, 05:56:48 PM
I think 7 k is a fair valuation. Thanks for kind words. Ill pass onto Chris.
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on January 26, 2015, 06:01:17 PM
......and i really want another fd now .
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on July 04, 2015, 09:43:58 PM
This happened today the car is insured for 7k agreed value.
Is this 7k of damage.



http://s1292.photobucket.com/user/Paulchater/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150704_150131_zpsc9blkeh3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on July 05, 2015, 09:01:41 AM
Oh no ...battery terminal melted? 
How bad is the fire damage? Difficult to see in pics? Looks like bad short to earth on chassis. Need a better photo Paul.
 
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on July 05, 2015, 09:32:27 AM
On my pc now can see better. Was it the battery or has a fan motor gone up?  I think this will be close to be written off Paul. You may be able to claim the salvage title.
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on July 05, 2015, 10:37:34 AM
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u397/boosted38/2015-01-24132240_zps8e66b6e6.jpg)

Dont know whether this photo helps....but is it possible battery stay shorted on the battery isolator....i thought the isolator was after the fuses on the positive terminal?
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: clive on July 05, 2015, 02:16:01 PM
Arrrrggggggggg, so sad to see   :(

if you are paying a body shop who would need to strip the engine bay / to paint and a huge amount of labour  to clean everything then yes it will be an uneconomical repair,

This will depend how much you want to keep the car, then  if you can buy the car back and do a lot of work yourself 
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on July 05, 2015, 02:22:00 PM
Its uk car as well Clive!
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on July 05, 2015, 07:23:00 PM
Jon

I think it was a short around the battery.

The fire was from the battery up with the fans melted. Looking at what i can see it would need a new front wiring harness, bonnet,rad & fans, and various other bits its still holding water and all the belts are ok. I got to it within 10 mins of it starting my neighbour called me and kept the hose on it until the fire brigade came.

I will see what the insurance company say if they will repair it that would be the best outcome. I would be very tempted to keep it if I get the chance and depending on how much it would cost to buy back and the cost of the parts above. Any ideas on the cost of a front harness

I had spent the evenings of the last month cleaning up the underneath and treating the it to  a couple of coats of por15 I refurbished the wheels etc.. Hence am gutted

Paul
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on July 05, 2015, 08:50:20 PM
Yes gutted for you mate. Very sad. You should be able to retain the salvage just be prepared to haggle and play hard ball. Its will prob be cat c due to age. This way you will get part payout and keep the car.
Parts should be plentiful and resonable wouldve expect to that much atall. Id change all rubber parts as a matter of heat damage. Im more than happy to help and so is Chris.  I have bought repaired a few cat c d cars as we have a salvage yard here in Westbury....plus when my evo was written off i retained salvage and repaired myself....in the end i had same car fixed and good few grand in my hand! Give me call and i can talk you through process. Only issue is re insuring....youll have to change ins companies.....as if any happens 2nd time they wont payout again.. 
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on July 05, 2015, 09:21:51 PM
That's something to consider i'm hoping it will get fixed. I work at a glacial pace on my car what with the age of my kids.

Will let you know what happens.
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on July 25, 2015, 12:25:42 PM
The car is a total loss. I'm just waiting for the insurance settlement team to get back to me. I recon it would cost £2000 all in to repair it me doing the mechanical fixes and getting the body work done elsewhere.

What do you think I could buy it back from the insurance company from?
What would it be worth after. There is a cat c FD on autotrader currently for 8k. That's more than mine is insured for.

Paul
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on July 25, 2015, 05:08:39 PM
I watched an fd go for 3.5k in salvage that 1 is now on ebay unrepaired....by you buying it back ins company is saving storage and transportation.  You need to tell them you want to retain salvage....let them offer a buyback fiqure and be prepared to haggle.  If insured for 7 then id be trying to deal at 2k buy back and 5 as settlement.
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on July 26, 2015, 04:24:54 PM

Cheers Jon.

Will see what they come back with when they get in contact with me. Not really sure what to do.. Fix it or take the money spend a bit more and get a 996

Paul
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on July 26, 2015, 05:56:24 PM
996? Ducati?
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on July 26, 2015, 06:16:18 PM
Porsche 911 996 version  I had a bike licence a ducati would be cool
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on July 26, 2015, 06:20:42 PM
Porsche numbering system always confuses me. 911 would be nice.....or how about an rx8 r3? Lol wifes is up 4 sale ! 4 seats!
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: PaulChater on July 30, 2015, 10:19:16 AM
So the insurance company are giving me the agreed value for the car and letting me keep the salvage for free..... yes free, they say because of the age its not worth anything to them.... pretty much made up my mind to get another car too....
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on July 30, 2015, 01:17:08 PM
Hi Paul. How much would you like for the salvage.....first dibs pls. Wow though...never heard of that.
Title: Re: To repair or not to repair
Post by: boosted on July 30, 2015, 01:22:27 PM
The more i think about it....that is balmy....proverberial bite there hand off.