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Title: Need new toy!
Post by: brodierx7 on December 16, 2012, 05:25:28 PM
After much thought I have decided to keep my rx7 off the road and use it just for track days! I\'m gettin bored of not having a car to run. So been looking for something quite fast and reliable. So it\'s come to two cars a monaro vxr or a evo9 what\'s the one to go for!?
Title: Need new toy!
Post by: turbo boy on December 16, 2012, 05:53:04 PM
me personally would go for a manaro. Rwd 6ltr v8 easier and cheaper to run/service, believe it or nor more ecnomical. No brainer really. evo drivers tend to be :Yawn:Yawn:Yawn:Yawn:Yawn
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Post by: Grant Monkhouse on December 16, 2012, 07:07:51 PM
Monaro for sure
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Post by: Brett on December 16, 2012, 07:36:00 PM
Monaro, no question.
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Post by: brodierx7 on December 16, 2012, 07:41:53 PM
That\'s the answer I wanted! Just hope I don\'t grow to like it more than the Rex :(
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Post by: Will66 on December 16, 2012, 07:47:32 PM
It\'s a very different machine but there\'s a lot to love.  It\'s brawny.
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Post by: Rzla on December 16, 2012, 07:59:07 PM
Evo 9 in my opinion
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Post by: zeppelin101 on December 16, 2012, 08:11:39 PM
Wouldn\'t touch an Evo with a barge pole for a regular use machine personally. Service intervals and repair costs are eye watering if anything should go wrong.

At least with the Monaro you\'ve got the most unstressed and long running engine design in the world and it\'s essentially a sled. Not exactly a nice place to be though.

Actually I\'d consider an E39 M5 as well in the same breath as a Monaro. Better car all round but as with any M car, repair costs and servicing aren\'t going to be great.
Title: Need new toy!
Post by: boosted on December 16, 2012, 09:34:12 PM
of the many many cars i have owned the 2 best where my rx7 and my evo 8 fq300.....point to point down any b road you would be hard pressed to find any car that is more capable than an evo.....i found it less costly than my rx7 fd but i would buy a low mileage example with fsh. 30 k covered no issues other than services.

owed 3 scoobys .....not a patch on my standard fq300.

on track i was .5 secs off an atom 300 on lap times.

never owed a monaro though!
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Post by: johnf on December 17, 2012, 04:04:59 PM
Neither - I\'d go for one of these
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Post by: Brett on December 17, 2012, 04:07:37 PM
Are they at a sensible price now John? :)
Title: Need new toy!
Post by: Brett on December 17, 2012, 04:08:07 PM
(Oh and moved to Chit-Chat)
Title: Need new toy!
Post by: johnf on December 17, 2012, 04:14:24 PM
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Are they at a sensible price now John?

What\'s sensible - seem to go from 10k - 15k for a 12 year old car.

With late ones [2001] 20k-22k
Title: Need new toy!
Post by: marf on December 17, 2012, 04:18:32 PM
Quote from: johnf;844669
What\'s sensible - seem to go from 10k - 15k for a 12 year old car.

With late ones [2001] 20k-22k


Only going to go up IMO. Would love to own one someday.
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Post by: Brett on December 17, 2012, 04:22:25 PM
Interesting, shed of the week on pistonheads was a 2.8 Z3 last week.... sub £1k!
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Post by: B.Martin on December 17, 2012, 04:24:10 PM
Monaro, modern muscle and looks great! Screw considering anything else they are awesome.
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Post by: jetpilot on December 18, 2012, 09:05:38 AM
I couldnt or wouldnt want to drive either of those to be honest.

As is said above, Evo\'s are quickly approaching the "chav" image if not there already and as nice as the Monaro might be, i dont think i would ever want to own one.

For a nice fun car i am afraid to say i would probably go German. John F\'s suggestion has merit, decent M3, sl55 amg or to throw the cat amongst the pidgeons, jag xjr :)
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Post by: Will66 on December 18, 2012, 10:54:04 AM
Jag would be classy, all the V8 saloon type things would be fun and there\'s a lot of metal for the money.
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Post by: Brett on December 18, 2012, 11:20:57 AM
Audi S8?  
XKR?  
Celica GT4?
Saxo VTS with a bodykit?
Octavia VRS?
Forester STi?
Reliant Robin with a jet pack?

I do like spending other peoples money for them :D
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Post by: Grant Monkhouse on December 18, 2012, 11:31:34 AM
Monaro vxr8, stop confusing the man you all sound like women trying to decide on which clothes to buy when you know he will pick the first one he thought of. Lol
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Post by: Bobbit on December 18, 2012, 11:37:56 AM
ahem *RS6* ahem
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Post by: nuki on December 18, 2012, 12:59:38 PM
Ive had an Rx7,Evo and RS6 etc etc.


Rs6 ran average 11MPG Vpower only which means £20 every time you start up and drive off, Budget discs for the 8Pot brembos will cost you £250+vat each , £1000 to do the timing belt every 35,000miles,£800 if one of the inter coolers breaks which there prone for.. Which if unnoticed leads to fast turbo failure. £100 for 8Ltrs of engine oil, £3000 if the gearbox starts slipping, £2000 to replace a turbo if one of them goes wrong. If one of the DRC Suspension struts leaks and you get dash lights its cheaper to buy a full set of coil overs than replace the one Suspension leg. Basically Any job on an RS6 the engine has to come out. By far the most expensive car to maintain I\'ve ever owned. 9/10 times Every 3000 mile main dealer service recipes were £1500+ vat and its compulsory because no one would buy an RS6 without Main Dealer history..£100+ for spark plugs with a huge amount of labor to fit them as half the engine top needs taking off.. I think Audi Charge 15 hours labor just to change the pollen filter because everything is just so crammed in every job is a huge one. You get the jist..


Evo wasn\'t any worse than the RX7 on fuel. It was fun in the rain. It got a little boring with the constant 4WD after months and months of driving but not when you\'re overtaking cars that just cant put power down..like a RWD RX7s in wet weather. ABS sensors were £150+vat each which are all required to work together to make the Rear Diff work..Many evos develop AYC rear diff pump Issues which can be costly £800 or so... easily tunable from remapping the Stock ECU for Anti lag with Pops Flames and Bangs on overrun can easily be mapped in along with Full boost Launch control which sounds awesome and dual switchable maps, I decided to push the boat out way too far on my stock engine internals and snapped a Rod through the block- A replacement used engine block cost me £1800 and that was cheap through a favor.(If the engine lets go in an EVO it will cost you more than rebuilding your Rotary) Other than that evos are still fast Saloons that are practical and nothing potentially to go wrong just like any other saloon to cost you thousands..There a simple DOHC 16v 2.0 Turbo engine that are easily serviced and will maintain a good fuel cost if you drive them right.. I would certainly own another.

Monaro..Personally I can see this been a similar thing to the RS6. Big and Heavy so you look in you\'re mirror and cant understand why you\'re not leaving an Evo for dust.. untill you think about Power to Weight ratios then start reading up why you bought such a heavy car.. Big V8, Huge Breaks, Huge service Costs. And no doubt something fancy to go seriously wrong

Hope this helps :)
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Post by: Brett on December 18, 2012, 01:04:02 PM
Is there anything fancy on a Monaro?
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Post by: Grant Monkhouse on December 18, 2012, 01:11:11 PM
Quote from: Brett;844735
Is there anything fancy on a Monaro?


It got a v8
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Post by: Grant Monkhouse on December 18, 2012, 01:15:46 PM
Throw another spanner in the works for you.... Why not get a 1.8 lx ford focus, cheap reliable, 38mpg at 85mph. Seats 5, you won\'t care if you crash it or break it. Runs on normal petrol no need for vpower etc etc.


Just get the monaro
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Post by: nuki on December 18, 2012, 01:27:34 PM
Quote from: Grant Monkhouse;844736
It got a v8

Theres a thread on piston heads about a monaro buyers guide.. First couple of posts both state "Drivetrain clunks and rattles are also a problem so be aware. every one Ive owned has needed a gearbox and diff rebuild.
Had problems with driveshafts, diffs and gearbox"

you\'ll all have your own views. And every car can have its issues.. All depends what you want the car for.. The only main  reasons people would buy a monaro is because of the 400HP V8 and no traction control.. If it had a 2.0 turbo engine would you still buy the Monaro? no. Although grant you\'re probably already bias on the matter because you cant stop dreaming over the thought of the ls1 or ls2 under your rotary hood if you haven\'t already done it.
Title: Need new toy!
Post by: brodierx7 on December 18, 2012, 07:22:21 PM
Cheers grant but think I might pass on your idea Of the focus. I was told the monaro was a simple v8 and fairly reliable?
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Post by: brodierx7 on December 18, 2012, 07:28:05 PM
Think I will pass on your idea of the focus grant, I thought the monaro was ment to be fairly reliable? Just a v8 fairly simple. As the the vxr8 I would have one but to find a nice one it\'s a lot more money!
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Post by: Hobbawobba on December 18, 2012, 07:51:06 PM
Id go for the monaro. Dont see many over here aye
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Post by: Grant Monkhouse on December 18, 2012, 07:52:08 PM
Quote from: nuki;844741
Theres a thread on piston heads about a monaro buyers guide.. First couple of posts both state "Drivetrain clunks and rattles are also a problem so be aware. every one Ive owned has needed a gearbox and diff rebuild.
Had problems with driveshafts, diffs and gearbox"

you\'ll all have your own views. And every car can have its issues.. All depends what you want the car for.. The only main  reasons people would buy a monaro is because of the 400HP V8 and no traction control.. If it had a 2.0 turbo engine would you still buy the Monaro? no. Although grant you\'re probably already bias on the matter because you cant stop dreaming over the thought of the ls1 or ls2 under your rotary hood if you haven\'t already done it.


My dad has a mustang 5.1 litre, my bro has a trans am 6.5 litre. No need for a v8 FD although they are cool
Title: Need new toy!
Post by: brodierx7 on December 18, 2012, 08:16:06 PM
I\'m more keen for the monaro than the Evo, there is 80k miles on a monaro Vxr to high?
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Post by: B.Martin on December 18, 2012, 08:32:45 PM
Those ls lumps are good for 200k if well looked after (according to US forums) but to be fair they should know. It\'s not the engine if be worried about on 80k, things like driveshafts, shocks, springs and associated areas of wear and tear.

You know the monaro is the answer to this question.
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Post by: jetpilot on December 19, 2012, 08:40:32 AM
Clio V6, always wanted one of those :)
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Post by: Brett on December 19, 2012, 09:04:39 AM
Clio V6 Mk1 is horrible, the Mk2 is better - but not by a lot.  My cousin had one - just not nice cars... you want a RWD V6 Renault then get an Alpine :Giggle