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Title: Koran
Post by: jetpilot on September 09, 2010, 07:59:13 AM
I dont want to get into the political debate behind this.

but surely all this press coverage is having a completely negative effect, if it wasnt in the press/news, no one would hear about it, so this wouldnt really filter out to the people its meant to offend! :xconfused

If it wasnt for the press, i wouldnt have heard about it, so whatever you want to think of the pastor i think the press are to blame for the hype, its like the age old question, if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound :Hammer
Title: Koran
Post by: stew on September 09, 2010, 08:06:20 AM
Everyone is offended by something.
The press are to blame for hype and BS, which is why I avoid it.

Religion, of any kind, has always been mankinds biggest problem though. Muslim, catholic, judaism, etc.
Title: Koran
Post by: AtomicRex on September 09, 2010, 08:31:36 AM
You have to ask whether the press are to blame for the majority of problems in this world?
 
Yes it is good to understand the history and get up to date information....but look at terrorist campaigns...where would they be without the media?
 
Would half of the problems across the world happen if the media were to just ignore them?  That said....how would we know?
Title: Koran
Post by: Nik da Greek on September 09, 2010, 08:34:39 AM
No idea what you\'re on about, haven\'t seen the news in days :confused: I can reveal however that the answer to;
Quote from: jetpilot;715567
its like the age old question, if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound :Hammer
is; Yes, it does!

Physics doesn\'t stop happening just cos no-one\'s watching :rollin Otherwise it\'d be a real bummer every time you fell asleep and gravity stopped working just cos you were no longer paying attention :D

HTH :Thumbs-up
Title: Koran
Post by: Prof on September 09, 2010, 09:01:56 AM
Quote from: Nik da Greek;715577
No idea what you\'re on about, haven\'t seen the news in days :confused: I can reveal however that the answer to;
 
is; Yes, it does!
 
Physics doesn\'t stop happening just cos no-one\'s watching :rollin Otherwise it\'d be a real bummer every time you fell asleep and gravity stopped working just cos you were no longer paying attention :D
 
HTH :Thumbs-up

The problem there is that no one can prove it - because any attempt to monitor the tree\'s falling means you are listening/watching :Giggle
 
But back on topic - I kind of agree - if the media hadn\'t whipped this up it would have gone unnoticed.
 
Strange that this guy wants to set fire to the Korans - this is often seen as an act of \'cleansing\' - very clean these Americans, they like to set fire to things - and they seem to encourage this behaviour in the middle east with their flammable US flags.
 
Personally I couldn\'t give a chuff.
Title: Koran
Post by: Nik da Greek on September 09, 2010, 09:15:30 AM
Quote from: Prof;715581
The problem there is that no one can prove it - because any attempt to monitor the tree\'s falling means you are listening/watching :Giggle
 
Ahhh, now we\'re moving into Schrodinger\'s cat territory :Giggle
Title: Koran
Post by: AtomicRex on September 09, 2010, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: Nik da Greek;715585
Ahhh, now we\'re moving into Schrodinger\'s cat territory :Giggle

Not as good as Pavlov\'s cat theory!
Title: Koran
Post by: Nik da Greek on September 09, 2010, 09:31:56 AM
I\'ve heard of Pavlov\'s dogs, Jon. Not so familiar with Pavlov\'s cat theory :3Confused? Was it "don\'t leave small meringue-based desserts out whilst the cat\'s unsupervised?" :Giggle
Title: Koran
Post by: AtomicRex on September 09, 2010, 09:41:18 AM
Quote from: Nik da Greek;715596
I\'ve heard of Pavlov\'s dogs, Jon. Not so familiar with Pavlov\'s cat theory :3Confused? Was it "don\'t leave small meringue-based desserts out whilst the cat\'s unsupervised?" :Giggle

Here you go...I will leave it to Mr Izzard to explain the theory :)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whwiMrBNWCA
Title: Koran
Post by: BlitzBoy on September 09, 2010, 09:54:14 AM
Yip defo media to blame on this one , the American nutter\\Pastor has only "50" followers of his church ! If it wasnt for the media no on this planet let alone the middle east would hear about this book burning.
btw book burning of different types of books has been happening for years its nothing new.
Title: Koran
Post by: jetpilot on September 09, 2010, 12:02:51 PM
Quote from: Nik da Greek;715577
Otherwise it\'d be a real bummer every time you fell asleep and gravity stopped working just cos you were no longer paying attention :D

HTH :Thumbs-up


I sleep lying down so makes f all difference to me.......

How do you sleep Mr Greek :rollin
Title: Koran
Post by: Nik da Greek on September 09, 2010, 03:10:39 PM
"I don\'t sleep so I don\'t dream so I don\'t wake up frightened"
Title: Koran
Post by: jetpilot on September 09, 2010, 08:14:13 PM
So back on topic..

What is the reason for the press/news

To show extremist muslims we are not all nutters and respect their heritage/faith!

Or the reverse, encourage people to follow and join the pastor!

Or is it just news that sells papers etc??
Title: Koran
Post by: Freddy on September 09, 2010, 08:27:29 PM
Sensationalism, news sells...............
Title: Koran
Post by: neil_jdmr on September 09, 2010, 09:10:50 PM
Quote from: Freddy;715722
Sensationalism, news sells...............

Exactamundo, Got it in one Freddy.
 
News sells, or in turn ensures people tune in which is then marketed as viewing figures to perspective advertisers.
 
 
One word, the same one we all know and need.................MONEY
Title: Koran
Post by: Grant Monkhouse on September 09, 2010, 10:43:56 PM
First of all Before I wrote this, is that I do not beleive in any religion, god, acts of god, miraculs(spelling) ghosts etc etc.

First of all, God didn\'t create man, Man created god.
That was a bit off topic but had to be said. Apologies if anyone is offended by that.

Second, this relates to the topic by the way, if a preacher of the Muslim faith said he was going to burn copies of the bible in the birthday of Jebus, would the media and anyone else make a fuss about it? Or the burning of any other religious books by the way?
Title: Koran
Post by: AcceleRX-8ted on September 10, 2010, 12:20:12 AM
On the cat theory. shake the box hard and the odds shift in favour of dead.

On the Koran, there\'s a bit in there about Jesus, so why has no-one spoken about the own goal?  Also, will the Gideons supply Bibles for the retaliation that will get even greater publicity.
Title: Koran
Post by: jetpilot on September 10, 2010, 07:52:20 AM
More on the news this morning, bored of hearing about it now. Burn the books or dont, just lets stop hearing about it!!
Title: Koran
Post by: probedb on September 10, 2010, 12:49:31 PM
Just burn every different \'holy\' book then it\'d be fair :)
Title: Koran
Post by: MrHanky on September 10, 2010, 03:20:11 PM
Now there are various Iman\'s around the world saying that this act will threaten world peace.  You can\'t really say that the world is all that peaceful currently.
Title: Koran
Post by: RXSpeedy on September 10, 2010, 03:59:39 PM
This is why i get sent away from family and friends for 6 months at a time!!!! The news just make matters worse just for a story and a promotion.
Title: Koran
Post by: gsb876 on September 15, 2010, 01:11:28 AM
Quote from: AtomicRex;715592
Not as good as Pavlov\'s cat theory!


Is that better than the cat in the bin theory ? :o
Title: Koran
Post by: Prof on September 15, 2010, 08:03:03 AM
I think cat\'s get a bum deal - look at the words with cat in:
 
CATastrophy
CATaclysm
conCATanated
sCAT
 
Seems that we really do love dogs more ;)
 
But back on the topic again, I can\'t help wondering if this was some misguided publicity stunt - and very stupid if so.
 
It seems the real issue for some of these Americans is they don\'t want an Islamic religious centre being built \'near\' ground zero - and it\'s not that close when you look at it.  The Islamic centre was even going to have rooms for other faiths - that\'s being fairly accomodating - I\'ve been in a mosque in Turkey - but they don\'t have seperate rooms for Christians, Jews etc, nor would you ever find that in any other building catering for the other world religions ??
 
As the Imam proposing it said when asked if he really needed the building to be that close to ground zero - "No, not really, but there are a lot of muslims who work around here and they need somewhere to pray" - fair enough - doesn\'t seem like he\'s pushing an agenda to upset people.
 
Countries have been ruined for years because of bickering in the name of religion - because religion is man made, as oposed to a faith or belief which is what gives rise to religion, which has it\'s heart set on a higher goal.
 
When people stop twisting the words of others to suit their own ends - then perhaps peace is a possibility - until then we\'ll just have to get along.
 
BTW - are we some kind of religion with our love of the rotary ? :Giggle
Title: Koran
Post by: dr50376272 on October 02, 2010, 03:32:41 AM
my father is a muslims, which means i am too. but since i was 8 i stopped because the cleric become insane, started to blame the usa for the middle east problem, and said there has to be holy war. the problem is, if tomorrow there was no violence from anyone or anything in the middle east, the u.s would be told to leave. also, as for this pastor with 50 members, every day in the middle east there are hundreds, if not thousands of men, coming together, burning bibles, and saying death to america, but see, as westerners, we have to put up with this from the marxist media.

also, jesus never went around sleeping with 8 year old girls or burning and looting whole villages if they didnt join his cult(it was a cult back then), muhammad did this though. you tell me who the nice guy is? jesus f`n rocks !
Title: Koran
Post by: Laeeq on October 02, 2010, 12:07:35 PM
also, jesus never went around sleeping with 8 year old girls or burning and looting whole villages if they didnt join his cult(it was a cult back then), muhammad did this though. you tell me who the nice guy is? jesus f`n rocks ![/QUOTE]

dude! you have issues.... do you have a proof of that statement?  Or are you one of those million who just believe what they see/ watch on western TV?